Intelligent Hoodlum ? Arrest the President

[Ornette]

Break name: Arrest the President

 

Artist: Intelligent Hoodlum

Track name: Arrest the President

Original release: LP, Intelligent Hoodlum

Label: A&M

Cat number:

Year: 1990

Producer: Marley Marl

 

Examples: Ragga Twins - Hooligan 69 [shut Up And Dance] (break 1)

Mike Slammer & Red Alert - Ganja Man [slammin Vinyl] (break 2)

FBD Project - The Core [bangin Tunes] (break 2)

 

Notes:

 

Percy Chapman, to give him his real name, originally came out as Tragedy with a couple of tracks on the 1988 Marley Marl In Control Vol. 1 album (particularily "Live Motivator" - check it out!). However his debut album was released under an artist name of Intelligent Hoodlum.

 

This was slightly odd because, up until then, he was generally refered to as "Tragedy the Intelligent Hoodlum". But somewhere along the line this full title became shortened, omitting his original pseudonym along the way...

 

As well, in later years, you may not be aware that he then became known as Tragedy Khadafi and was behind the 1999 "The Bridge 2000" follow up to the 1986 MC Shan hip hop classic!

 

As a breakbeat, "Arrest The President" is seemingly built up from a couple of chunks of James Brown's "Soul Pride", triggered one after the other in quick sucession. There are two recogniseable uses of this tune,

 

1) one taking a loop from the beginning of the record, which features a sort-of "whining" noise like a dentist's drill,

 

2) the other taking far later in the record, in the lull after the first verse.

[Ornette]

I'm not impressed with your doctoring of my posts.

This break doesn't have any so-called, artificially imposed "break name", as far as I'm concerned it's simply Tragedy - Arrest The President.

And I want to have artist name in the thread title as "Tragedy", not "Intelligent Hoodlum"

And whats with putting my notes last?? I wanted the examples to come AFTER the notes, not prior.

 

I don't think this is fair, or considerate behaviour

[Phokus]

There are forum rules and templates that have been set out, I've just put your posts in the same form as the rest of the forum. I don't think that's unfair or inconsiderate.

 

As for "artificially imposed" break names - they're the title of the track that the break is sampled from, which is generally how everyone I've ever spoken to about breaks refers to them.

 

And as you say the break is from an LP which was released under the Intelligent Hoodlum moniker, why list it as Tragedy?

[Ornette]

...

[Logic]

I don't think it is fine.  You have put my back right up, and quite frankly, this kind of attitude is seriously putting me off making any more contributions to "rolldabeats".  I mean, if I can't add a post without having to anally-pour-over the forum rules to make sure I haven't put a pro-noun in the wrong place because if I don't then the integrity of my posts is going to be seriously compromised then to be honest I don't really know if it is even worth my while in the first place.

 

I wasn't gonna say anything until I read this bit

 

I think you're blowing this seriously out of proportion. RDB has NOTHING on Discogs and other sites when it comes to pedantry and anal-retentive attention to formality. That's exactly why we use a messageboard for submissions and not some electronic form.

 

I hardly think it's fair to say that we're unreasonable about submission formats. I can understand a reaction like this if someone had scolded you, as Haste did to monkfish, but that didn't happen. We'll worry about the forum rules. You worry about submitting accurate info

[haste]

Ornette, your contribution is much appreciated and we don't want to discourage you from posting here. I think you are making a bit much out of this, though, I don't really see why there's such a huge issue about it.

 

The rules are there so that it's easy for Phokus, or whoever does it in the end, to take the information recorded here and enter it into the database for integration into the main site. This is not how the info will be displayed in the future and the rules are there just to make the transition easier for us. Having things in a similar order throughout makes the tedious cutting & pasting job that someone will have to eventually do a bit easier and it also gives the threads a bit of uniformity.

 

This is the area of the site that Phokus is looking after and I don't think his edits are all that big a deal. Perhaps in the future we can agree that he discusses any "mistakes" that have been made before editing.

[Ornette]

noted.

 

:closedeyes:

[Stimpy]

its not a big deal to leave peoples posts as they type them is it.

 

unless they are completely wrongin content they should be left as they are imo

[haste]

As explained it's just so that it makes it as easy as possible for us to take the data from posts and put them into the database at a later date. There's a template for this forum which we ask people to follow as there is a lot of information to record in one place and if it's all there laid out in the same way then we can quickly go through the posts and extract what is needed to go in the database fields

 

We don't edit posts much at all, there's usually no need

[mikeeee-mk2]

Just to add (another) correction to the original post (!)

 

It's used in Ragga Twins - Spliffhead, not Hooligan 69.

 

Also used in Kicksquad - Soundclash (and possibly outside the scope of this forum, in Rob D - Clubbed To Death)

[AnthonyDavid]

Tom & Jerry - Let Your Spirit Rise

[mikeeee-mk2]

Bassix - Close Encounters (D Zone)

[Ornette]

Edit - no need for all that drama to stay in here

[Specialjustin]

Hardcore 4 - No sellout [blaag Records] (Both mixes)