Ornette Posted April 17 Report Posted April 17 Right, I've had a read though of the legacy threads on here plus Dara's one from discogs that Haste mentions here, but would to go through it again. Most of these are now properly listed on discogs but still some questions remain. I'll link directly to the appropriate entries to make things easier. Some standardisation of the cat nos. & artists has been done: R+R01 Sudden Impact "Game Of Love" (4 mixes) 1990 RTOR00Z Dubwise II "Trojan" (2 mixes) 1990 RTOR003 Various – Back To Attack Vol. 1 (6 tracks) 1990 RTOR4 Dubwise II feat. Stooge – Bad Boy Bass EP (6 tracks) 199– The Broadcrest etched codes on the first & second releases – PA4590 & PA4672 respectively – point towards mid-1990 for these two, and as far as I'm aware that early mix of "Made In Two Minutes" on RTOR003 has always been considered '1990' (one reviewer here states as 'sept 1990'). Any suggestions on #4? At this point, two releases from the sequence are missing - #5 & #6. My guess is this is what came next: RTOR Various – We Are I.E. (4 tracks) 1991 Etched simply as RTOR, though the promos for it are stamped IE-001, my guess is this must be the #5 in sequence.. 'May 1991' was given on submission for this variant Around here I believe is where HN001 must surface, nominally the 'first' release for De Underground... Could this in fact be the #6 that's missing? As I don't see any sign otherwise, unless someone else has a possible candidate. The I.E. Records releases continue as following: IE002 Various - I'll Be Back EP (4 tracks) 1991 IE003 Flex & Uncle "Party Time" / "Odd Ball" 1991 IE3 Uncle 22 "To The Core" / "Drums Of Peace" / "Pain" 1991 IE4 Flex – De Underground Records Vol 1 / The Program (3 tracks) 1991 IE5 A Sides – De Underground Records Vol 2 (3 tracks) 1991 IE006 Flex – Program Part 2 (4 tracks) 1991 The first three as listed are marked or printed 'RTR', confirming at least the sequence as sub-label of Reel 2 Reel. As can also be seen there are two different #3 releases – IE003 and IE3. Does anyone have a view on which of these two came first? Interestingly as has been noted elsewhere, the IE003 one is actually etched NH02 in the run-outs, suggesting as subsequent to the aforementioned HN001 release. Remaining Reel 2 Reel's for 1991: RR007 ??? – MDA Vol. 1 (4 tracks) 1991 RR008 Various – Back To Attack Vol. 2 (5 tracks) 1991 RTR009 Various – Test Press (4 tracks) 1991 A comment in the release history suggests RR007 as August 1991, a review on RR008 suggests as being Sept 1991 (also mentions about a later 'remix' of one of the tracks - what release is that?); and Nebkins in the reviews suggests RTR009 as Oct 1991 (nb. at least one of the tracks appears to be an 'answer' to Prodigy's "Charly") If not mistaken then, subsequent catalogued releases after this point are all 1992. There is also a 'Share' sequence that starts somewhere, with at least two of the releases from 1991 – the first Raw From China 12" plus the 2 Boasters, A Digestive & A Jammy Dodger release Quote
Ornette Posted April 25 Author Report Posted April 25 Right, so I'd like to continue by looking a bit closer into this 'SHARE' sequence... So going by this posted in the old thread, Share was set up by someone named String who was a relative of Stooge - clearly this detail got mixed in translation with Haste assuming at the time the quote meant String had a share in Reel 2 Reel, but no. The first reference making a connection with 'String' I can find is RR008 (listed above) which - as per the image on Discogs - is rubber stamped 'G. STRING DISTRIBUTION AGENCY' with the number '081-806-0739' directly underneath. It seems a fair bet then that 'String' must be G-String, who seemingly got involved during 1991 with the distributing of releases out to the record shops. What I'm wondering then, is whether this 'SHARE' sequence is directly the initiation of the Telethon '92 branded releases; that being, precisely the initiative of G-String wanting them to 'share' with the wider community and make a contribution to charity: SHARE001 Raw From China "More Bass" / "Mover!" / "Welcome" / "Psychotic" 1991 SHARE002 2 Boasters, A Digestive & A Jammy Dodger (3 tracks) 1991 First two releases here are white label only – The first is simply written in pen 'RAW FROM CHINA', assumed as the release title though on later advice from A-Sides (via Dara) was adjusted to being the artist name. It's unclear where the track titles for it came from. It's also unclear where these slot in with the Reel 2 Reel releases, whether somewhere inbetween RR006 - 009 or maybe even after. The second is definitely 1991, from a feature in Blaze magazine #5 (pub. mid-Oct 1992) Nookie mentions about this release stating: "How long ago did you start working in Red Records? About 4 years ago. Then about 1 & a 1/2 years ago it turned into Unity Records which I ran for a little while. Just as I left Unity I brought out my first House record under the name of 2 Boasters, A Digestive and Jammy Dodger, a track called Large Southend Donut (L.S.D.)." I'm just trying to remember when Red Records (Soho) became Unity... I'm pretty certain when I purchased my copy of NWA – Efil 4 Zaggin there 'under the counter' it was Unity at that point. Having a look now indicates the album was banned in the UK from 11th June - 7th Nov 1991, and I was quite eager to get my hands on it at the time. With this in mind it would seem Nookie must have left before the end of 1991 which would put the SHARE002 release around then also. SHARE003 A-Sides – Mix To The Max (4 tracks) 1992 SHARE004 Raw From China – Raw From China II (3 tracks) 1992 Whereas the final two are full branded Telethon '92 releases – The first has clear artist & release title designations printed, whereas the second (in comparison to the first) has only the release title printed. Again, artist designation for that as also being Raw From China appears to be on advice of A-Sides. Additionally, the full printed label on the other side confirms the sequence as Share Records - indicating as a collaborative effort between G-String Distribution, Reel 2 Reel Record Company, and Graphite Tour Management. There's no reason to believe either of these two full branded Telethon '92 releases appeared anywhere near the broadcast date of Sat 18th July 1992, remember ITV Telethon had been running for a few years by that point, and solicitations for contributions would have began far in advance, likely well back into 1991. Though, the fact they do have '92 printed would point towards these two at least arising in 1992; not only, several more of these branded releases were to come. The Telethon '92 releases then continue (and pick up on the Reel 2 Reel sequence) as follows: RTR010 ??? – Into The Twilight Vol. 1 (3 tracks) 1992 RTR11 Uncle 22 – Dub Wise II Vol II (4 tracks) 1992 Given the Share sequence has to be where the Telethon '92 branded releases are initiated, it follows that these two must have come directly after. At this point must be where the 'JGS' sequence arises. There is no explicit label designation for these, though the lettering makes me believe these must have also something to do with G-String Quote
Ornette Posted May 9 Author Report Posted May 9 Is it too much to ask to get some sort of meaningful response to any of this? Quote
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