droid Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Ninjaman: 'Test the high power' - Digital B, Love is not a gamble riddim. "You shoulda die before you reach the session a dis yah Gorgon sound in yah" As sampled by: Chris Jay - Champion Sound (Devious D Mix): http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/dubwise_productions/dw001/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Shy FX - Gangsta From 2 minutes in - bassline sampled from the version of this tune. Im pretty certain this is the source as it sounds pretty much identical and I have dozens of version of the riddim and this is the only one that Ive ever been able to get a clean bar of bass out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haste Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Shy would have replayed the bassline and not sampled it, I would have thought. Does sound like he did nick it straight from there, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Why do you say that? I wasn't aware he had any actual 'musical' skills. I wouldve thought throwing a fully formed reggae bassline in would suit his ramshackle style perfectly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 It doesn't sound 100% identical to me -- there's a little hesitation in the Ninja bassline that isn't in the Shy one. Unless the Version of the Ninja Man tune has a slightly diff bassline, I'd be inclined to say that Shy replayed it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted June 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 It doesn't sound 100% identical to me -- there's a little hesitation in the Ninja bassline that isn't in the Shy one. Unless the Version of the Ninja Man tune has a slightly diff bassline, I'd be inclined to say that Shy replayed it If this isnt the source (and it may not be), then it comes from a different bass sample. If nothing else, you can count the number of replayed basslines in jungle on one hand wheras there's loads of sampled basslines. I also cant recall any instance of Shy FX showing any sign of formal musicality in his early releases - hes all about samples. Ill dig out a clip of the dub and we can compare. Its definitely some verison of love is not a gamble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haste Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Fully agree on Shy (and most producers at this time) being all about samples. But playing a few notes on a keyboard using a simple sine wave is not difficult, even for the most musically challenged of producers. If you've got a bassline that you want to nick it doesn't take too long to work out how to play it or how to write it into Cubase note by note. The other reason I say that it's most likely replayed is that there's a different bassline, using the same bass sound, in the intro that I reckon he probably played himself as well. Personally, I've rarely heard of jungle producers lifting a bassline as a full sample instead of replaying it. This happened a lot more in the hardcore days but, by 94 or so, I had always thought that most relied on the trusty sine wave on their samplers to provide their basslines, even if they were based on a tune in their reggae collection. This still counts as a sample source, so either way it's all cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Hmmm... I'm not sure if its the same bass sample as the intro. It sounds a bit dustier and warmer to me. Ive always found it very difficult to recreate basslines myself - mainly because quite a few of them contain chords so its not just tapping notes in one after the other. Off the top of my head - Hype sampled the 'Get in the groove'and 'heavenless' basslines on Ganja 2: Badman. I agree that it got rarer as the years went on though. For me, Occam's razor says sample, but I'm keeping an open mind! I might repost this as the riddim rather than this track. I think logic is right that this isn't the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted June 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Haste, I bow down to your superior powers of deduction. I gave this a good listen last night and compared to about 30 different versions of the riddim. I think it is replayed. The bit at 3.59 gives it away. Are we all agreed that this is the love is not a gamble bassline? Naphta didn't think so but hes a crotchety old fecker. Should I do a new post with the riddim as source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haste Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Yeah, you can def hear that's he's replayed it there. Agreed on this being the source or at least the inspiration, unless there's some sort of very weird coincidence going on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 unless there's some sort of very weird coincidence going on here! There are no coincidences in Jungle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted March 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Got another one of these. Cool hand flex - Shackout - U no Dat. Bass comes in about 37 seconds. Replayed love is not a gamble bassline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_s Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Make the most of being able to post YT links (especially of Cool Hand Flex) is that dick DJ Vapour gets his way in closing down YT channels that feature content by artists he has an agreement with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted March 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Yeah, saw that. Interesting times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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