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Trying to tracklist this show, a lot of stuff from the early '93 into 1994 period, can anyone help fill in any blanks? https://www.mixcloud.com/infraredfm/master-4-breeza-hardcore-junglist-show-25th-april-24/ Master 4: Plasmic Life - Sphere ??? Rufige Kru - Terminator 2 Nasty Habits - Mayday Mayday ??? << know this tune well, but can't place it Bizzy B & Peshay - Come Down Love Dove Jay - Sonic Plan ??? Double H Productions - How Dark It Is (Remix) ??? Plasmic Life - Give It To Em ??? Bizzy B & D-Lux - Visualise Your Desires Remarc - Mayhem Plasmic Life - Death Trip Drum + Bass - That Ruff Track!! DJ Pulse - Warning Breeza: Mayhem - Inesse Steve C & Monita - The Razors Edge Skanna - This Way ??? EKUDCM - On Dope ??? "Phineus 2" ??? "Formation" ??? Phineus 2 - Cantankerous Cook Up Tom & Jerry - Papillion Love Song Ment 4 Bass - Strings Free Tom & Jerry - Patch Of Blue ??? Peshay & Roger Johnson - See The Light ??? Noise Factory - Out Of Our Heads ??? Wots My Code - Dubplate ??? "Hectik Records" 007 - Your Love Is All I Need

I note it seems to be overlaid with something of Three Times Dope - Mr Sandman (as mentioned in the Supreme DJ Nyborn - Versatility thread), or at least something aping that... is it the same break loop but edited, do you think?

Break name: Artist: Billy Squier Track name: The Big Beat Original release: LP, The Tale Of The Tape Label: Capitol Records Cat number: ST-12062 Year: 1980 Drummer: Bobby Chouinard / Billy Squier Also available on: 7", Capitol Records [4901] Example: Dream Team / Dynamic Duo - Shadow Mike Underground - We Are Live Note: Highly iconic & defining hip-hop breakbeat that I'd previously been under the assumption had never been used in jungle / drum & bass, then one day listening to the Dream Team track I thought... hold on a minute?! Just stumbled on the Mike De Underground track now, which reminded me to post. Looks like it originally came out on the album, which indications suggest was May that year. A single of it was later issued in July. A 12" release as a b-side came out later in 1981 (possibly prompted by its popularity in that early hip hop era?) An interesting article on the record is here https://nypost.com/2013/11/16/the-hip-hop-rebirth-of-billy-squier/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y6VopU_mH4

One further question on all this is - what exactly, is the correct format of these catalogue numbers for this white label LION sequence? Spoox's list on the link above (and indeed, as cited also here) has them all as LION 0xx... From a bit of scouring otherwise on wayback machine, I was able to find a bit more info about this - One of the various urls I was able to confirm for Exodus Distribution (as ran by DJ Souljah) was www.exodusdistribution.com - which seems to have been active for a short while during 2002: http://web.archive.org/web/20020206192107/www.exodusdistribution.com/ Though you can't see the images for that table-layout website anymore, one of the panels from it links to the site www.docky.com - which, from clicking on the text stating 'Enter', takes you to into the main store at which point another link is given, stating: "We are official Congo Natty Suppliers. Check out our current range of Natty vinyls here." https://web.archive.org/web/20011203084741/http://www.docky.com/docky/index.htm (Turns out this Docky 'official' Congo Natty page was linked already from spoox's old congonatty.jungli.st site - and indeed, from the older natty.dhs.org version of it also...) Travelling on that wayback link to the snapshot Feb 07 2002 confirms some details on LIONs 1, 2, 3 & 4 - going by all this, it would seem to confirm this LION sequence of cat numbers was indeed something that came direct from Exodus Distribution, and therefore, were 'official' cats for this series. To cross-reference all what we have, lets see: # Docky Juno Nu-Urban HTFR hhv.de 'SOUR' 1 LION 1 LION 001 LION 001 – 2 LION 2 LION 002 LION 002 – 3 LION 3 LION 003 LION 003 LION003 "Lion 003" 4 LION004 LION 004 LION 004 – "Lion 004" LION004 [BPM] (11-27-2002) 5 – LION 005 LION 005 – LION5 (#4307 2002/07/29) Nu-Urban 6 – – LION 006 LION006 7 – LION 007 LION 007 – – (#5169 2002/12/21) 8 – LION 008 LION 008 LION8 – (#1487 2001/02/07) Nu-Urban 9 – LION 009 LION 009 – 10 – LION 010 LION 010 LION010 LION10 (#6187 2003/08/12) 11 – – LION 011 – LION 11 (#6888 2004/02/06) 12 – – LION 012 – LION 12 (#6889 2004/02/06) So I guess going by all this, it would seem the number form 0xx is correct, with the majority indicating a space between the 'LION' and the number...

Ok, so after a bit of confusion on this, looks like the true LION 009 has turned up finally, on discogs! https://www.discogs.com/release/15682786-Tribe-Of-Issachar-Here-I-Come Going by the pictures, it has the same stamper impression as what we see from the other LION 'reissues' - that is, a sunken depressed inner area with a single concentric circle at a distance from the spindle - reminiscent of the stamper impression of either Damont or Broadcrest Apparently it has the run-out etchings TRIBAL NATTY b/w TRIBAL which corresponds with the worded run-outs on the other LIONs, though is not clear if it has the '✡'/ star of david markings seen with some of the others. I'll update the post above with this detail, also will update with some slightly better guestimates for some of those Juno datings given as '1990'... which are obviously well out. So far, the item codes in the urls for the listings on Juno have all proven to be chronologically ascending, which by doing a bit of back-and-forth means we can narrow down each to within a month - if not much closer.

Is it just me or has the quality of these modern reissues & unreleased issues gone down over the past 4-5 years or so? Like, just way too loud & over compressed. It doesn't sound good. Who is responsible for this?

I agree the other version of it is better. I haven't tried playing it yet however It's not the best quality in the world. Though it does have a spanking new Tim Reaper revisit of Peeni Porni on the flip, which could be worth it

DJ Solo - Made In London https://www.discogs.com/release/150165-DJ-Solo-Deal-Wid-It-Made-In-London

I noted there was no view source / bbcode option as you say, earlier myself. This could become a problem when composing more complex forum posts

Orca - Shining Bright [remix] https://www.discogs.com/release/77895-Orca-4-Track-EP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa8oxCvHiH8

Wow, great clarifications I'd been meaning to post in here for ages, as for some time I kept thinking I could hear this break in Strike - U Sure Do, hearing on the radio every so often... and each time thinking to myself, "i swear that's the break from Up Tempo!" from 1:03 onwards - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyl6wDNJW1Q&t=63 But yeah, checking a bit closer it seems Specialjustin was correct and it is the Barry White break overlaid in there, looks like the Strike tune is simply sampling from that as well Garx - you gonna post this 'drum-a-pella' break to the main forum?

Yes, oop you're right, got confused with reading "The Chopper" remix above ha ha Just had a check back and yes, it was the one they had on True Playaz all that time back - it's titled "Bully", or "bull.wav" there if that's any help - true-playaz.co.uk [July 1998] > Green Room > Beats & Pieces or, the direct link out of the frameset https://web.archive....om/welcome.html Funny it's taken me all this time to make the connection, I had never figured it was a break that had ever been used. Maybe because all the reverb they had put on it? Now to figure the source.... http://www.classifiedlistening.com/tarzanstuff/emoticons/eusa_think.gif

Break name: Artist: Juice Track name: Catch A Groove Original release: 12", Feel Like Good Music / Catch A Groove Label: Greedy Records Ltd. Cat number: DGD 108 Year: 1976 Drummer: [?] Example: Orca - Splash Justice & Mercy - Soothe My Soul Note: Quintessential hip hop breakbeat - though not nearly as impactful in rave however. Apparently the break only appears on the 12" version. Also the root for some second generation breaks - e.g. Yo Chuck

Formula 7 - It's Not Just Ragga http://rolldabeats.com/release/1612/brain_records/formula09 Also - added youtube link to main post

Hmmm I remember this break used to be downloadable from the True Playaz website many, many many moons ago. I'm talking like 1996. I didn't recognise it then and to be honest I didn't even think it had been used in any tunes, but going by your comments I'm thinking this must also be the same one used in Johnny Jungle "Flammable"

Digging deeper, are we sure it not comes from this earlier track, this remix of "They Want EFX" from 1992 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov1zL5dVF20 I was thinking I knew that loop and suddenly remembered the Das EFX tune, a lot of rnb tunes around that time recycled riffs that were big in hip hop but overlaying with synth washes and various other accoutrements, you might be able to tell I was quite scornful of rnb around that time 'Hip hop soul', they were calling it for a short while

Are you saying this was from a loop passed around by Alex Reece himself? It stands to reason that this happened, there was a lot of hob nobbing of heads involved in the scene at that time. I personally didn't know about "The Flow" until many years later

Bump Thought I'd stumbled on this with Renegade Soundwave "The Phantom", but maybe not It's definitely used elsewhere, Ibiza Crew "Box Base" comes to mind

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Yeah. Shame it's a cd rip with a chunk missing from it There's a few more unreleased tracks in that same set from Chicago part 1 - part 2 - - remix of "Bad Boy Tune" (uploader's got it there as the Chi-Town mix) - vip of "Lovable" - this an updated version of "Lovable Part 2" from KJL3 - remix of "Selectors Roll", similar to the one on RIDT002 but clearly an earlier version - "Switch" - "Moonlight" plus a couple the uploader's not quite got listed right: - at #3 "Salute The Kings" - it's actually the remix from KJL5 though Rude Boy Keith is performing the lyrics of the 'Vocal Mix' live - at #4 "With A K" - though Dextrous' personal version of it - at #6 "Subliminal Boogie"

here we are.. yep at 8:30

Are these only the ones that have already been tracklisted? I was going to try my hand at a couple of them.

http://www.classifiedlistening.com/tarzanstuff/emoticons/pro.gif well done!! An amen composite too, I see. Though wouldn't have guessed from its usage in those Legend Records releases That thumbnail in the video is a little misleading, that "New York What Is Funky" LP wasn't released until 1998. But defo looks like the instrumental like was on the original 12" https://www.discogs....e-Now-Feelin-It Funnily enough I've been on a massive delve into Kool Keith's solo stuff recently. Gotta say some of it is way out there but the stuff he done good is really top draw. Also I was very pleased to stumble upon this from Ced Gee lately, just from a couple years ago apparently! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUCKC6XK5VQ What's Method To My Madness btw?

Incidentally, just noticed the "What You Gonna Do track on the DJ Box 1 compilation has some slight changes to its mixdown also. https://www.discogs....us-DJ-Box-Vol-1 Sounds a little more 'harsh' also the triangle noise on the intro is a little different

There's two different versions of this I've found on cd. The other is on the DJ Box compilation http://rolldabeats.c...ecords/bdrcd012 Further to this, I've just noticed that the Da Intallex "What Ya Gonna Do" track on the DJ Box compilation is a different mix down of it also. Not really any different, same arrangement but just some marginal changes. Seems Suburban Base must have had a bunch of random dats lying about and decided just to dump them all to cd box set