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I knew that it was called "Snowman" because it sampled the theme song to a cartoon with the same name. Of course, being an American, I had never seen or heard of this cartoon before... I think I just remember asking Haste several years ago why the tune was called "Snowman" and he told me

 

But that isn't an argument for removing it from the title

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OK... cool.... as far as I remember we only called it "Snowman" as a nickname - the XPROJECT1 that I half-inched from a pal had "Snowman" written on it - but I think thats only because its quicker to say:

 

"yeah have you got that Snowman tune"

 

than to say:

 

"yeah have you got that Walking In The Air tune"

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My reasons for wanting "Snowman" in the title are descriptive, not prescriptive.

 

I want it in there because that's how some people know the tune, and thus that's how they'll search for it on here. Not because I know with certainty that Rebel MC intended it to be referred to that way

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This thread is too complex.

 

 

To make things more confusing, check this:

http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/congo_natty/lion5

Both versions of "Jah Sunshine" on this are DIFFERENT to

http://www.rolldabeats.com/release/x_project/dubplate1

 

Which means there are 3 different RELEASED mixes of "Jah Sunshine" and 2 UNRELEASED mixes

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And some other notes:

 

"dubplate 1" aka "ras dub 1":

 

1. Didn't this one have "ol skool ting" etched? It's a black label 10"... The one I saw had "RAS DUB 1" etched one one side atleast - don't remember the other side.

 

2. Are these the same 10"s, or did one with "dubplate 1" come first, then "ras dub 1" come as a repress or edition afterwards?

 

got this record sitting in front of me (10" black label one) i bought it in 1998(?) from blackmarket records so im guessing its a repress

 

all it has etched on side a is "dubplate1" and "musichouse" the b side just has "mh"

 

 

just my 2p's worth :wink:

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Only just started looking into these releases from the 2000's that were previously unreleased tracks ... this thread is intense :o

 

This is probably old news now but DUBPLATE 2 / DUBPLATE 2 DUB is the same as CONGONATTY 04 ( https://www.discogs.com/X-Project-The-Calling-Jungle-Flow/release/1335344 )

But a different cutting / pressing. What discogs have as Untitled (Dubplate 2) is 'Jungle Flow' https://www.discogs.com/X-Project-Calling/release/2863314

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Only just started looking into these releases from the 2000's that were previously unreleased tracks ... this thread is intense :o

 

This is probably old news now but DUBPLATE 2 / DUBPLATE 2 DUB is the same as CONGONATTY 04 ( https://www.discogs....release/1335344 )

But a different cutting / pressing. What discogs have as Untitled (Dubplate 2) is 'Jungle Flow' https://www.discogs....release/2863314

 

Yeah these releases are nuts also.

 

Thanks for confirming this, tallies with what I figured here... as seems that DUBPLATE 2 / DUBPLATE 2 DUB release also goes by the cat. LION12. Good that someone else has sanity checked this.

http //www.rolldabeats.com/release/22867/congo_natty_records/lion12

http //www.rolldabeats.com/release/21191/congo_natty_records/congonatty4

 

and of course the top side is "Calling"...

 

Interesting what that congonatty.jungli.st link says about the 'LIONxx represses and other mis-labeled represses', I guess when it was sold some of the shops had it listed as LION12 even though it doesn't say on the release itself. Question is, when did these white label 'LIONxx' releases came out, maybe 2000 ish perhaps?

 

I'm just in process of tidying on discogs, so thought I'd comment ;)

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So it looks like this 2007 release of Emperor Selassie I is in fact the 1995 Firefox Remix : https://www.discogs....release/1636746

 

Just having a closer look at this,

the video on that discogs link Bl433Bn2plw must be wrong because that's the mix from the 1995 Blackstar album.

 

I've found some clips here.....

https //www.juno.co.uk/products/rebel-mc-emperor-sellassie-i/265466-01/

 

It's very similar, isn't it? In fact... are we sure it's even a Firefox remix, looking at that JP compilation appears it only has on it 'Fire Remix'.

I reckon that's just a diff mix down by Rebel MC himself.

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No opinions?

 

I will say, it does sound rather Firefox-ish... both that one and the 'original' mix, similar production-wise to "Fashion" maybe.

 

In relation to this is the situation regarding "His Imperial Majesty". From what I've been able to make out, the version on the Blackstar album is precisely the same as the Congo Natty presents Roots compilation - which is marked '3rd Eye Remix'. Now, that one definitely has all of Potential Bad Boy's post-Ibiza 1995 jungle stylings to it, quite unmistakable really, yet there is no mention of it at all on the original release.

 

There is also the version of "Emperor Sellasie I" on the Princess Lydia EP which seems to be based around the "Kunte Kinte" rhythm track... (also heard on the This Is Jungle digital album)

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http //www.rolldabeats.com/release/x_project/dubplate1

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but "Jah Sunshine" is the only thing I've ever seen written on a label on an official Congo Natty release. I've no idea where "Old Skool Ting" actually came from, it seems to be a name that has existed forever but I have never seen an official release refer to it in that way.

 

OK, so let's try and get to the bottom of this once & for all

I have here, in front of me, the 10" on 12" white label of this, with the first version of this track and "Calling" on the flip.

I got it some time back off Nebkins, who apparently got it from the hand of Rebel MC himself. ^_^

 

It's etched, precisely,

 

DUB PLATE 1 Music HOUSE .

 

on one side, with only MH on the flip, which is different to the LION5 press that I also have, which is etched DUBPLATE 1 ✡ b/w JAH ✡ SUNSHINE . It's also at 33⅓ rpm, where as the latter is 45rpm

 

As mentioned, it's a 10" on 12" cut, so I think it's a fair estimate to say it's from the same master as the black 10" release... not sure exactly how the plating is done but we have seen some other examples of this, I think some of the Moving Shadow remix 10"s were promo'd this way

 

However... the interesting thing is there is some additional grooves of music, on the top side, on the outside edge!

 

The (partial) track, cut at 45rpm, starts off with the spoken vocal "We are... magnificent" and then breaks into some off canter kick drum & percussion, before finally pulling together into what sounds to me like a two-step/uk garage type of thing.

 

Now there's no way a tune like that existed in 1994, not even in 1995, in fact was looking into this a little while back as to what was the first two-step tune in garage, I always thought it was Roy Davis Jr "Gabrielle" from around late 97 but apparently Wikipedia has it as Tina Moore "Never Gonna Let You Go", which I'd forgotten clean about... (little closer look into "Gabrielle" Live Garage mix actually reveals it first appeared on a US release back in 96... so perhaps it was 'first' after all)

 

 

1. Didn't this one have "ol skool ting" etched? It's a black label 10"... The one I saw had "RAS DUB 1" etched one one side atleast - don't remember the other side.

 

Well, clearly, my copy doesn't have that, either of those details. What about anyone else?

 

Does anyone really have this release, as a 1994 released 10"? Because from what I see, the one I have really couldn't have appeared any earlier than 1998. Not to mention, I didn't think it had ever been released back then at the time either.

 

Hoping for some feedback this time.

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i would say not on vinyl in 1994, the only djs playing it back then had connections with the label.

 

Looking through tracklistings, the end of 1998 seems like a candidate for the release, starts appearing in Nicky Blackmarket sets around this time. also DJ Magic on Cyndicut FM in December 1998.

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Looking through the thread, I'm not sure I can add much that's not already been said, but I can provide the following information in case it helps:

 

I own 2 versions of Jah Sunshine - a black label 10" which I bought second-hand a few years ago, and a 12" white label which I bought as a "new" release in 2002.

 

The white label 12" version has JAH ✡️ SUNSHINE etched on one side and DUBPLATE 1 ✡️ on the other side. Each side is a different version of Jah Sunshine. The vocal samples are all the same but the drums and basslines are different.

 

The black label 10" version has DUB PLATE 1 and MUSIC HOUSE etched on one side and MH on the other side. The version of Jah Sunshine on the "DUB PLATE 1" side is different to both versions on the 2002 white label copy. Again, the drums and basslines are different, but also there are a few additional ragga vocal samples towards the end, and the arrangement is also slightly different. The B side of the black label 10" is The Calling.

 

I've just checked all 3 versions of Jah Sunshine against the version that Magic was playing on Cyndicut in December 1998:

14:53 here - https://soundcloud.c...-978fm-28-12-98

 

The version Magic was playing is exactly the same as the black label 10" version I have. Same drums, same bass, same arrangement and the additional little ragga sample (at 19:01 on the above audio link).

 

My black label 10" came with a hand-written title of "Ruffneck Fashion" on it (just to add another potential title someone was using).

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